Saturday, March 29, 2014
Can a team be shared by more than one city? Even if they're not in the same state?
SB Nation Article:
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Which will be next International City for the Big Five?
Bets on London, Monterrey, Mexico City?
Vancouver tried the NBA and probably is still on probation. Toronto may venture into the NFL.
Proximity and Logistics is of issue.
Will it be the NBA or NFL for Europe? I think MLS will do Monterrey.
Here's an MLS article: http://www.kansascity.com/2014/02/06/4803068/mls-american-soccer-expanding.html
And "minor league" MLS: http://soccer.si.com/2013/12/18/mls-usl-pro-tulsa-nielsen-kansas-city-sacramento-oklahoma/
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Vancouver tried the NBA and probably is still on probation. Toronto may venture into the NFL.
Proximity and Logistics is of issue.
Will it be the NBA or NFL for Europe? I think MLS will do Monterrey.
Here's an MLS article: http://www.kansascity.com/2014/02/06/4803068/mls-american-soccer-expanding.html
And "minor league" MLS: http://soccer.si.com/2013/12/18/mls-usl-pro-tulsa-nielsen-kansas-city-sacramento-oklahoma/
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Defunct American CFL Teams
Article: Canadian Football League in the United States
Baltimore, Las Vegas, Shreveport, San Antonio, Sacramento, Birmingham and Memphis.
Article:
What Will the Canadian Pro Sports Scene Look Like in 2035?
Baltimore, Las Vegas, Shreveport, San Antonio, Sacramento, Birmingham and Memphis.
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Article:
What Will the Canadian Pro Sports Scene Look Like in 2035?
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Another baseball team in Phila and Dallas ???
Not anytime soon but they are sizable markets. As it's presented by wikipedia, Philadephia and Dallas the largest markets without two teams. Of course LA, Chicago and NYC have two.
Atlanta has two major league baseball stadiums in the works for their area:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Atlanta_Braves_stadium
A perfect time for a re-brand if you ask me. The Southern Braves.
Check out some sports market analysis on this wikipedia article:
U.S. cities with teams from four major league sports
.........a snippet of it.
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Atlanta has two major league baseball stadiums in the works for their area:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Atlanta_Braves_stadium
Check out some sports market analysis on this wikipedia article:
U.S. cities with teams from four major league sports
.........a snippet of it.
States with all four leagues represented, but not in one metro area
Among those states that have no metropolitan areas with all four sports, only Ohio has teams in all four major sports: the NFL's Cincinnati Bengals and Cleveland Browns; MLB's Cincinnati Reds and Cleveland Indians; the NBA's Cleveland Cavaliers; and the NHL's Columbus Blue Jackets, the only one located outside Cleveland and Cincinnati.See more expansion and relocation talk for football, baseball, basketball, hockey and soccer on my blog (starting in Feb 2014, see table of contents/archive): Major League/Pro Expansion <CLICK> http://prosportsexpansion.blogspot.com/
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What do these places have in common sports-wise?
NYC
Boston
Dallas
Chicago
Denver
Miami
Detroit
Minnesota
Philadephia
Phoenix
Bay Area
D.C.
Boston
Dallas
Chicago
Denver
Miami
Detroit
Minnesota
Philadephia
Phoenix
Bay Area
D.C.
Thursday, March 27, 2014
The no-brainer of them all: L.A. Football. Stadium Sites.
Link for Sports Illustrated article here.
One of the sites was a failed attempt at Wal-Mart locating in Los Angeles.
Other big North American markets without: a few in Mexico. And Toronto being a stone's throw from Buffalo.
If there was ever a site for "if you build it they will come", it has got to be L.A.
Article: The Future Of AEG's Farmers Field In Downtown Los Angeles
Check out this link:
http://www.losangelesfootballstadium.com/
Why not so soon:
NFL has say so.The NFL has say so <article, click here
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One of the sites was a failed attempt at Wal-Mart locating in Los Angeles.
Other big North American markets without: a few in Mexico. And Toronto being a stone's throw from Buffalo.
If there was ever a site for "if you build it they will come", it has got to be L.A.
Article: The Future Of AEG's Farmers Field In Downtown Los Angeles
Check out this link:
http://www.losangelesfootballstadium.com/
Why not so soon:
NFL has say so.The NFL has say so <article, click here
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Wednesday, March 26, 2014
"New" Teams for the Big Four Tomorrow
My "New" (or rebranded) teams for the Big Four tomorrow.
Mentioned already throughout the blog posts:
West Coast A's
West Coast Raiders
Southern Rays
Southern Predators
Los Angeles Rams
Norde Force
Western Jazz
MLB
West Coast Athletics (in Portland, Oakland, ....maybe Las Vegas)
Southern Rays (of Atlanta (old Turner Field), Tampa, and Charlotte (....and Nashville,...maybe New Orleans))
NFL
West Coast Raiders ( in aforementioned MLB west coast cities and LOS ANGELES !!!!)
or the Los Angeles Rams from St. Louis or .......West Coast Rams
Norde Force of Canada, bye bye Jacksonville Jaguars.
What about the Raiders just moving back to L.A. and San Fran re-branding as The Bay 49ers?
NBA
Western Jazz (of SLC and Las Vegas. Throw in Seattle). Get a name change and call NOLA the "Jazz".
NHL
Southern Predators of Nashville and Atlanta
Hmmmmm. Phoenix. Arizona Coyotes??? Why not "Western" and do some work in Seattle. Vegas ?
I would like TB to become the Florida Lightning and the Panthers move to Cleveland/Milwaukee for a Great Lakes named team.
<Sigh> Anyway, one can dream.
Pro Sports Dictator Director Pablo Stone gave American outlanders professional sports teams, mostly in name, by enacting his regional sports camp team model to take effect by 2015.
Southern Rays
He is directing MLB to rebrand the Tampa Bay Rays into the Southern Rays. By 2015, they be playing in Atlanta (at Turner Field) and Tampa while bigger facilities are being built in New Orleans, Nashville and Charlotte. For future expansion, Stone acknowledges future possibility in any camp cities breaking off into their own franchise. In the meantime, in those three building cities a few home "camp" games will be played their. Additionally, a camp stint will be played in Birmingham and one in Mississippi with future consideration for camp stints cities like Jacksonville and Memphis.
West Coast Athletics
Home games are in Oakland, Las Vegas and Portland. Ball parks in LV and Oregon are under construction and will be ready in 2016. The sports dictator said that his staff is open to the possibility of a rebrand or expansion for a western designation to bring in cities like Salt Lake and Albuquerque.
Eastland Pirates expand their play to Columbus and Indianapolis. Most games will occur in Pittsburgh till proper home camps are facilitated in the other cities. Hearings are underway to figure on Louisville being a Southern or Eastland brand as a camp site.
Heartland Royals are caravaning their brand through the Dakatos in an effort to have fans swap in their Twins caps for royal blue. While most games are still taking place in Kansas City, others will be in OKC, Witchita and Omaha.
The West Coast Rams will play in Portland, Las Vegas and Sacramento. They'll maintain some play in Oakland till 2017
The LA Raiders. Enough said.
The Southern Saints: New Orleans is sharing ball with Tuscaloosa, Alabama. Alabama's business community is coming together under urgings by the director to build a new sports complex and NFL caliber football stadium in Reform, Alabama, a location that would draw in more Mississippi fans and create economic growth in west central Alabama for the roadways and community for the weekly mecca of football. One camp home game is set to be played in Louisville and Jacksonville for the 2015 season.
That leaves 3 each for Louisiana and Tuscaloosa next year.
The Norde Force come into existence with folding/rebrand of the Jaguars leaving Jacksonville. Even though facilities aren't exactly up to NFL snuff throughout Canada, that's where they'll play: Throughout Canada. Television viewership will offset seating. In 2015, a few more than not will be played in Toronto. Others cities will be Ottawa, Quebec, Montreal, Vancouver, and Calgary. For 2016 and beyond, the CFL stadium will house camp games for the Force.
Shake up for a few NBA franchises and new turf
Bring back Seattle and add Vegas in there.
The River Run Kings have come into play. While Sacramento isn't losing a place in the league, their nickname along with that of Memphis were swapped. It's now the West Coast Grizzlies.
River Run Kings of St. Louis, Louisville, Memphis, Cincinnati and Pittsburgh have 5 campground markets. KC will be given consideration in the future.
West Coast or Western Grizzlies play in Sacramento, Seattle, Las Vegas and SLC.
New Orleans is the Jazz again.
Arizona (PHX) Coyotes become the Western Coyotes and play in the Bay area, Portland, Seattle and of course Phoenix. A facility camp in Las Vegas is being considered to be built.
In what seems to be a blantantly selfish hometown move, the dictator redesignated the Columbus Blue Jackets as the Northside Blue Jackets of Columbus, Indianapolis and Cincinnati. Well, at least the dictator didn't expand for a singular Cincinnati team before he thought his hometown market was ready.
For a moment, he was on record as considering all Great Lakes area cities as camps for a redesignated Blue Jackets team.
The dictator seems to be leaving MLS alone and is pleased with their growth as a league.
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Mentioned already throughout the blog posts:
West Coast A's
West Coast Raiders
Southern Rays
Southern Predators
Los Angeles Rams
Norde Force
Western Jazz
MLB
West Coast Athletics (in Portland, Oakland, ....maybe Las Vegas)
Southern Rays (of Atlanta (old Turner Field), Tampa, and Charlotte (....and Nashville,...maybe New Orleans))
NFL
West Coast Raiders ( in aforementioned MLB west coast cities and LOS ANGELES !!!!)
or the Los Angeles Rams from St. Louis or .......West Coast Rams
Norde Force of Canada, bye bye Jacksonville Jaguars.
What about the Raiders just moving back to L.A. and San Fran re-branding as The Bay 49ers?
NBA
Western Jazz (of SLC and Las Vegas. Throw in Seattle). Get a name change and call NOLA the "Jazz".
NHL
Southern Predators of Nashville and Atlanta
Hmmmmm. Phoenix. Arizona Coyotes??? Why not "Western" and do some work in Seattle. Vegas ?
I would like TB to become the Florida Lightning and the Panthers move to Cleveland/Milwaukee for a Great Lakes named team.
<Sigh> Anyway, one can dream.
Pro Sports Dictator Director Pablo Stone gave American outlanders professional sports teams, mostly in name, by enacting his regional sports camp team model to take effect by 2015.
In the MLB, league was directed to rebrand 4 franchises to cover the map
He is directing MLB to rebrand the Tampa Bay Rays into the Southern Rays. By 2015, they be playing in Atlanta (at Turner Field) and Tampa while bigger facilities are being built in New Orleans, Nashville and Charlotte. For future expansion, Stone acknowledges future possibility in any camp cities breaking off into their own franchise. In the meantime, in those three building cities a few home "camp" games will be played their. Additionally, a camp stint will be played in Birmingham and one in Mississippi with future consideration for camp stints cities like Jacksonville and Memphis.
West Coast Athletics
Home games are in Oakland, Las Vegas and Portland. Ball parks in LV and Oregon are under construction and will be ready in 2016. The sports dictator said that his staff is open to the possibility of a rebrand or expansion for a western designation to bring in cities like Salt Lake and Albuquerque.
Eastland Pirates expand their play to Columbus and Indianapolis. Most games will occur in Pittsburgh till proper home camps are facilitated in the other cities. Hearings are underway to figure on Louisville being a Southern or Eastland brand as a camp site.
Heartland Royals are caravaning their brand through the Dakatos in an effort to have fans swap in their Twins caps for royal blue. While most games are still taking place in Kansas City, others will be in OKC, Witchita and Omaha.
NFL has the West Coast Rams, Los Angeles Raiders, Norde Force and the Southern Saints
The LA Raiders. Enough said.
The Southern Saints: New Orleans is sharing ball with Tuscaloosa, Alabama. Alabama's business community is coming together under urgings by the director to build a new sports complex and NFL caliber football stadium in Reform, Alabama, a location that would draw in more Mississippi fans and create economic growth in west central Alabama for the roadways and community for the weekly mecca of football. One camp home game is set to be played in Louisville and Jacksonville for the 2015 season.
That leaves 3 each for Louisiana and Tuscaloosa next year.
The Norde Force come into existence with folding/rebrand of the Jaguars leaving Jacksonville. Even though facilities aren't exactly up to NFL snuff throughout Canada, that's where they'll play: Throughout Canada. Television viewership will offset seating. In 2015, a few more than not will be played in Toronto. Others cities will be Ottawa, Quebec, Montreal, Vancouver, and Calgary. For 2016 and beyond, the CFL stadium will house camp games for the Force.
Shake up for a few NBA franchises and new turf
The NBA is now in Pittsburgh, Cincinnati and St. Louis.
The River Run Kings have come into play. While Sacramento isn't losing a place in the league, their nickname along with that of Memphis were swapped. It's now the West Coast Grizzlies.
River Run Kings of St. Louis, Louisville, Memphis, Cincinnati and Pittsburgh have 5 campground markets. KC will be given consideration in the future.
West Coast or Western Grizzlies play in Sacramento, Seattle, Las Vegas and SLC.
New Orleans is the Jazz again.
NHL: Toronto and Quebec City Expand and more NHL cities are here
The Great Lake Armada form in Milwaukee and Cleveland as the Florida Panthers fold and Tampa is rebranded the Florida Lightning. Arizona (PHX) Coyotes become the Western Coyotes and play in the Bay area, Portland, Seattle and of course Phoenix. A facility camp in Las Vegas is being considered to be built.
In what seems to be a blantantly selfish hometown move, the dictator redesignated the Columbus Blue Jackets as the Northside Blue Jackets of Columbus, Indianapolis and Cincinnati. Well, at least the dictator didn't expand for a singular Cincinnati team before he thought his hometown market was ready.
For a moment, he was on record as considering all Great Lakes area cities as camps for a redesignated Blue Jackets team.
The dictator seems to be leaving MLS alone and is pleased with their growth as a league.
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The Coasts have the Most. California Emperors and Brooklyn Trollyhoppers.
Portland and Charlotte seem like places for new blood for more big league play. They're on the coast.
NYC and California could hold more franchises for sure.
The populations that can sustain big league sports in their market are where there are multiple teams already.
California (Inland Empire) Emperors? Harlem Brooklyn Trolly Hoppers?
The Inland Empire could hold more baseball, even with the Dodgers and Angels with teams playing ball about 30 and 60 miles away. NYC could hold more. It could probably do another one in the city and another across the way in New Jersey. That's how much market is there. But forget the Empire State. Upstate Cali could also hold another team. San Jose and Sacramento want the A's to move there. The A's want a new stadium and it's not an easy proposition in Oakland or anywhere right now for that matter. The California Coastal A's?
Articles:
Some of the Skinny that's touched on in the articles is the talk of big college towns and maybe them caring too much more about football: Columbus and Austin.
Beyond the Boxscore: MLB Expansion - Possible Cities
Finding a home: The search for the next MLB city (Part 1)
Part 2
Search for the Next MLB City, Part Three: "The Dependents"
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NYC and California could hold more franchises for sure.
The populations that can sustain big league sports in their market are where there are multiple teams already.
California (Inland Empire) Emperors? Harlem Brooklyn Trolly Hoppers?
The Inland Empire could hold more baseball, even with the Dodgers and Angels with teams playing ball about 30 and 60 miles away. NYC could hold more. It could probably do another one in the city and another across the way in New Jersey. That's how much market is there. But forget the Empire State. Upstate Cali could also hold another team. San Jose and Sacramento want the A's to move there. The A's want a new stadium and it's not an easy proposition in Oakland or anywhere right now for that matter. The California Coastal A's?
Articles:
Some of the Skinny that's touched on in the articles is the talk of big college towns and maybe them caring too much more about football: Columbus and Austin.
Beyond the Boxscore: MLB Expansion - Possible Cities
Finding a home: The search for the next MLB city (Part 1)
Part 2
Search for the Next MLB City, Part Three: "The Dependents"
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Arenas and Stadiums. COST. Would the Regional Model (Shared Team) require existing structures in each city?
Realistically, would the Regional Model (Shared Team) require existing structures in each city?
Just because facilities wouldn't necessarily be top notch (according to a league's norm), who cares if the atmosphere is charged and the fans are excited? The NFL can be hosted by the home of the Crimson Tide.
If there is less seating for the event, the ticket price is higher. So, if a team is in town only 4 times, well... people will pay. It's more of an event in that town than just another week.
Look at some of the cost of building and operating these sports structures. Article links below:
Cowboys and more listed
Falcons Football and Cincinnati mention of cost:
http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/stadiums-costs-outweighing-revenue-potential/nQT7Q/
Hockey arenas and NBA
For the love, grassrootsy:
http://www.sbnation.com/nhl/2013/12/19/5228650/rink-of-dreams-michigan-outdoor-hockey-rink
Article: Baseball and the American City. An examination of public financing and stadium construction in American professional sports.
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Just because facilities wouldn't necessarily be top notch (according to a league's norm), who cares if the atmosphere is charged and the fans are excited? The NFL can be hosted by the home of the Crimson Tide.
If there is less seating for the event, the ticket price is higher. So, if a team is in town only 4 times, well... people will pay. It's more of an event in that town than just another week.
Look at some of the cost of building and operating these sports structures. Article links below:
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| Metalist Stadium in the Ukraine |
Cowboys and more listed
Falcons Football and Cincinnati mention of cost:
http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/stadiums-costs-outweighing-revenue-potential/nQT7Q/
Hockey arenas and NBA
For the love, grassrootsy:
http://www.sbnation.com/nhl/2013/12/19/5228650/rink-of-dreams-michigan-outdoor-hockey-rink
Article: Baseball and the American City. An examination of public financing and stadium construction in American professional sports.
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Thursday, March 13, 2014
A Tale of Two Cities. Regional Expansion/Relocation of Sports Teams
Portland and Los Angeles don't have an NFL team.
Oakland stands to lose their Raiders.
Charlotte doesn't have MLB quite yet. It can't just now.
Tampa stands to lose their team.
For West Coast Raiders football, what if 4 home camp games were played in Portland and 4 in Los Angeles? LA could use USC's stadium or the Rose Bowl instead of building something new right now. The other games could be held up north, 100 miles south of Portland at the Duck's stadium. Nothing built quite yet. This could be now.
A baseball team called the Coastal Run Rays of Tampa and Carolina Charlotte could bring in more big market baseball to more of the country. This could be done soon. A season could be shared in Atlanta's vacating Turner Field while something with more seating is put up in Charlotte.
Charlotte makes me wonder if a house of NASCAR and their infield could be shared with baseball. Walls and lights on the inside track of NASCAR? How weird (or groovy) could that be? As an engineering feat, how could that be accomplished? Architecturally, how pretty would the model look?
What about shared baseball for Indianapolis and Louisville called the Heartland or Crossroads Racers of Indy car and thoroughbred ilk?
NBA in Missouri for KC and St. Louis? What about Pittsburgh - Cinci or Louisville somewhere in there?
Las Vegas Salt Lake City partnership for the Western Jazz? Or LV/SLC MLB or NFL... .
Milwaukee Cleveland camp for a Great Lakes NHL Franchise.
Portland-Boise
LV - SLC
Indianapolis/Columbus or Louisville
St. Louie and the L'ville?
Albuquerque - San Antonio or OKC Southwest team. Austin. I could see an NFL team camped in one stadium (off I-35) between Austin-San Antonio and another in Albuquerque for the Southwest Stampede.
Nashville - Charlotte, or a camp in New Orleans.
Florida camps for Jacksonville/Miami or Tampa/Orlando or some sort.
Gulf Coast Panthers of Florida .... and Houston and New Orleans.
And on and on.
Oakland stands to lose their Raiders.
Charlotte doesn't have MLB quite yet. It can't just now.
Tampa stands to lose their team.
For West Coast Raiders football, what if 4 home camp games were played in Portland and 4 in Los Angeles? LA could use USC's stadium or the Rose Bowl instead of building something new right now. The other games could be held up north, 100 miles south of Portland at the Duck's stadium. Nothing built quite yet. This could be now.
A baseball team called the Coastal Run Rays of Tampa and Carolina Charlotte could bring in more big market baseball to more of the country. This could be done soon. A season could be shared in Atlanta's vacating Turner Field while something with more seating is put up in Charlotte.
Charlotte makes me wonder if a house of NASCAR and their infield could be shared with baseball. Walls and lights on the inside track of NASCAR? How weird (or groovy) could that be? As an engineering feat, how could that be accomplished? Architecturally, how pretty would the model look?
What about shared baseball for Indianapolis and Louisville called the Heartland or Crossroads Racers of Indy car and thoroughbred ilk?
NBA in Missouri for KC and St. Louis? What about Pittsburgh - Cinci or Louisville somewhere in there?
Las Vegas Salt Lake City partnership for the Western Jazz? Or LV/SLC MLB or NFL... .
Milwaukee Cleveland camp for a Great Lakes NHL Franchise.
Portland-Boise
LV - SLC
Indianapolis/Columbus or Louisville
St. Louie and the L'ville?
Albuquerque - San Antonio or OKC Southwest team. Austin. I could see an NFL team camped in one stadium (off I-35) between Austin-San Antonio and another in Albuquerque for the Southwest Stampede.
Nashville - Charlotte, or a camp in New Orleans.
Florida camps for Jacksonville/Miami or Tampa/Orlando or some sort.
Gulf Coast Panthers of Florida .... and Houston and New Orleans.
And on and on.
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The Chivas should've been moved to Las Vegas Part-Time
Boston Celtics of Cincinnati. #NBA Expansion
West Coast Whales NHL Team in Seattle, Portland and Las Vegas
Forget building a new ballpark in Oakland. Do it in Las Vegas. The West Coast Athletics
Options Options Options. What about this Relocation & Expansion for 32 team MLB ?
Fantasy Expansion Example for Hometown
Stadium Concepts (ie. NYC)
Look at above link. If being land-locked was an issue, consider a synthetic peninsula for a stadium or arena.
Let me pretend that there's a tax surplus and the locations and infrastructures are a viable option at this time.
Maybe there are some fellow Cincinnatians that remember pre-Great American Ball Park when there was the option out there for the Ball Park at Broadway Commons. link
It was nestled at the bottom of dowtown Cincinnati's east hill, nestled just northeast of the central business district. Instead of the brew pubs and other committed businesses there, there now lies a casino brand that reminds me of Colts Football. Oh well. Great American Corporation. Hell, the football stadium should've been there since the vote didn't work out well. But no, we hogged the river.
Ballpark at BC
Well then, let me do some other fantasizing for the future of Cincinnati sports and their location. I'll take a look at where an NHL, MLS and NBA team could be placed. With the Bengals possibly done with PBS by 2017, I could see the Bengals home getting lured across river. I'll be damned if they become the Kentucky Bengals or the Southern Bengals, maybe even housed in Louisville, but it's sure a possibility. Or the Cincinnati Bengals could have a NY-NJ'esque relationship with the Cowboy's type complex across the Ohio River.
In this fantasy I'm going to appreciate the leeway that fantasy can allow. There could be a Cincinnati-Dayton metroplex housed NBA franchise called the Northbound Coasters (housed in Middletown off I-75 and hinting at the rollercoasters at Kings Island). I would like to see a major renovation or rebuild on the site of Cincinnati Gardens. It's more up north up Reading Road from where the Broadway Park would've straddled Reading.
The Cincinnati Gardens is a nice spot pretty much dead center of the Cinci region proper. 2-3 road miles south of that is the vacant theater lot that could be a suitable site for a NHL hockey arena (if Riverfront corporate Coliseum weren't redid). For the MLS I would like the Cincinnati stadium to be put somewhere to spur economic development. I wouldn't mind seeing it somewhere in the Cinci suburbs like by Jungle Jims in Fairfield or more towards West Chester nearer to Mason. Maybe some open space more accessible to I-74 or River Road would be good. That's where I stand today. A NHL/NBA Sportsplex would be nestled at the top of the key at the underutilized Cincinnati Mills location.
So I could see MLB and NFL hugging downtown and the river while prosperity could be shared with the heart of town for NHL, NBA and MLS. Cincinnati could have many rehabs taken care of if there were great infrastructure fixes due to some kind of economic surpluses that makes blighted places look nicer.
Look at above link. If being land-locked was an issue, consider a synthetic peninsula for a stadium or arena.
Let me pretend that there's a tax surplus and the locations and infrastructures are a viable option at this time.
Maybe there are some fellow Cincinnatians that remember pre-Great American Ball Park when there was the option out there for the Ball Park at Broadway Commons. link
Ballpark at BC
Well then, let me do some other fantasizing for the future of Cincinnati sports and their location. I'll take a look at where an NHL, MLS and NBA team could be placed. With the Bengals possibly done with PBS by 2017, I could see the Bengals home getting lured across river. I'll be damned if they become the Kentucky Bengals or the Southern Bengals, maybe even housed in Louisville, but it's sure a possibility. Or the Cincinnati Bengals could have a NY-NJ'esque relationship with the Cowboy's type complex across the Ohio River.
In this fantasy I'm going to appreciate the leeway that fantasy can allow. There could be a Cincinnati-Dayton metroplex housed NBA franchise called the Northbound Coasters (housed in Middletown off I-75 and hinting at the rollercoasters at Kings Island). I would like to see a major renovation or rebuild on the site of Cincinnati Gardens. It's more up north up Reading Road from where the Broadway Park would've straddled Reading.
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So I could see MLB and NFL hugging downtown and the river while prosperity could be shared with the heart of town for NHL, NBA and MLS. Cincinnati could have many rehabs taken care of if there were great infrastructure fixes due to some kind of economic surpluses that makes blighted places look nicer.
Some Failed Expansion Bids of the Past
Mental Floss article:
Expansion Teams That Didn't Make the Bid
Orlando Sun Rays and Memphis Hound Dogs were a try.
Looked at these failed names:
http://theweek.com/article/index/248606/25-rejected-nicknames-for-professional-sports-teams
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NHL Regional Coverage. For Now. West__ South __ Great Lakes
Great Lakes:
Cleveland, Milwaukee, Indianapolis and Cincinnati
And bring in the Syracuse region.
Would this be an okay fallback for the Blue Jackets franchise?
Western Coyotes:
Take Phoenix. Bring in Seattle and Kansas City.
Places like Houston and OKC in the future.
Southern:
Nashville and Atlanta for now.
Maybe Southern Eagles or Predators.
Obviously I'm not a well-rounded critiquer concerning the state of hockey franchises, but personally I'd move the Islanders to the Great Lakes brand and camps. I'd share Nashville with Atlanta for the Southern Brand and share Arizona with Seattle and Portland with considerations for others for the Western brand (like Houston and Las Vegas).
Links:
NHL's Struggling Franchises
Las Vegas No. 2 on expansion list?
See some ideas below.
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| Cities that hold hockey and places that could be NHL camps. Regions of Great Lakes, Southern and Western are blocked off. "Everyone" could have an NHL team to point to for their's. |
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Florida Panthers can be ridiculous. Co-Locate the Team. Rebrand. Southlakes Fisherman. #NHLExpansion
Ontario Gold Stallions/Mustangs/Horseman NHL Expansion Team should be Toronto's team two too
Yankees Hockey: The Great Lakes/North Coast Hockey Team. A New NHL Franchise and Concept
Sin City Flights. An innovative expansion or co-location/relocation for NBA or NHL
East Coast Whalers of Norfolk and Hartford. A Two-Place Team in the NHL
Dakota NHL Team
Milwaukee Bay in the NHL
Canadian Band - NHL Travel Tag Team for Outlander Canada
The NHL in Lincoln-Omaha. A Big League Team for Nebraska
"Northern Lights" NHL Team a New Expansion Team for Seattle and Portland. Try that on for Size.
Big 5 RELOCATION (Co-Location) Some Team Cities I have on my radar. And realistically NOW.
Other than what I list, I'm sure that there are other professional sports franchises teetering on financial crap.
So let's think re-location (or co-location).
NO EXPANSION
Move 2 MLB teams, 3 or 4 NFL teams, 3 NBA, 2 NHL and 2 to 3 I'd personally like to see for MLS
What I would do right now, without expansion.
West Coast, Nord, Southern, Great Lakes, Los Angeles
(or co-locate w/ Oregon for West Coast A's) ....throw Sactown in there,...or Inland Empire and Las Vegas as a co-locate
Tampa (co-locate for Charlotte and New Orleans) ....think the Coastal Run Rays
(....and maybe even AtlantaX2, Louisville and Nashville) or Southern Run Rays
Rebranded:
= West Coast and Southern or Coastal Run.
possibly even with New Orleans for co-location
or become the Canadian team, Nord Force across CFL markets
-Oakland (West Coast Raiders, same idea as MLB)
-St. Louis to Los Angeles
--New Orleans called "Southern"
Maybe no more "New Orleans", "Oakland", St. Louis or "Jacksonville"
Re-brand West Coast, Los Angeles, Southern and Nord
Los Angeles Rams
No more St. Louis. Or move the Raiders back there to a new stadium and give Portland (and Oakland) the old St. Louis team.
---With consideration to keeping a team in St. Louis, instead of a team Canada, I'd co-locate with Louisville and rebrand "River City" or "Delta".
River City (Pittsburgh, Louisville and St. Louis), formerly Milwaukee
Great Basin (SLC, Las Vegas) might come from the Timberwolves
Seattle Supersonics comes from the Utah Jazz and those silly Pelicans finally become what they should be called - The Jazz.
If something happened to Minnesota team, maybe consider a St. L, KC and Minneapolis as Heartland or Great Plains Wolfpack team. Utah colocates with Las Vegas for the Great Basin Bandits or Pioneers
Lake Front or
Great Lakes
TorontoX2 and Quebec City will get their teams somehow. I wouldn't mind Phoenix facilitating one of those or a Seattle team.
I wouldn't mind throwing in the Cincinnati area and Indianapolis for the Great Lakes team. But that's a Cinci kid talking.
I wouldn't mind canning the Arizona Coyotes for the Western Coyotes for Phoenix and Seattle.
See: Yankees Hockey: The Great Lakes/North Coast Hockey Team. A New NHL Franchise and Concept
Co-locate the C-Crew of Columbus, Cleveland and Cincinnati ????
I just know there are plenty of cities more deserving than my home town. And MLS has yet to reach 30 teams. ~20 now.
Go for San Antonio and/or Austin/El Paso and the likes of Boise and Las Vegas.
Atlanta and Charlotte are on the verge
In all:
Sorry Oakland, St. Louis, Cleveland, Milwaukee, Minnesota and Jacksonville
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So let's think re-location (or co-location).
NO EXPANSION
Move 2 MLB teams, 3 or 4 NFL teams, 3 NBA, 2 NHL and 2 to 3 I'd personally like to see for MLS
What I would do right now, without expansion.
West Coast, Nord, Southern, Great Lakes, Los Angeles
MLB:
Oakland for Portland(or co-locate w/ Oregon for West Coast A's) ....throw Sactown in there,...or Inland Empire and Las Vegas as a co-locate
Tampa (co-locate for Charlotte and New Orleans) ....think the Coastal Run Rays
(....and maybe even AtlantaX2, Louisville and Nashville) or Southern Run Rays
Rebranded:
= West Coast and Southern or Coastal Run.
NFL:
-Jacksonville for a Southern team (west of/or around Tuscaloosa)possibly even with New Orleans for co-location
or become the Canadian team, Nord Force across CFL markets
-Oakland (West Coast Raiders, same idea as MLB)
-St. Louis to Los Angeles
--New Orleans called "Southern"
Maybe no more "New Orleans", "Oakland", St. Louis or "Jacksonville"
Re-brand West Coast, Los Angeles, Southern and Nord
Los Angeles Rams
No more St. Louis. Or move the Raiders back there to a new stadium and give Portland (and Oakland) the old St. Louis team.
---With consideration to keeping a team in St. Louis, instead of a team Canada, I'd co-locate with Louisville and rebrand "River City" or "Delta".
NBA:
Ohio Barons, formerly Cleveland, ...plays throughout OhioRiver City (Pittsburgh, Louisville and St. Louis), formerly Milwaukee
Great Basin (SLC, Las Vegas) might come from the Timberwolves
Seattle Supersonics comes from the Utah Jazz and those silly Pelicans finally become what they should be called - The Jazz.
If something happened to Minnesota team, maybe consider a St. L, KC and Minneapolis as Heartland or Great Plains Wolfpack team. Utah colocates with Las Vegas for the Great Basin Bandits or Pioneers
NHL:
Nashville is moved to Cleveland and Milwaukee with consideration for an upstate NY team near Syracuse.Lake Front or
Great Lakes
TorontoX2 and Quebec City will get their teams somehow. I wouldn't mind Phoenix facilitating one of those or a Seattle team.
I wouldn't mind throwing in the Cincinnati area and Indianapolis for the Great Lakes team. But that's a Cinci kid talking.
I wouldn't mind canning the Arizona Coyotes for the Western Coyotes for Phoenix and Seattle.
See: Yankees Hockey: The Great Lakes/North Coast Hockey Team. A New NHL Franchise and Concept
MLS:
Co-locate the C-Crew of Columbus, Cleveland and Cincinnati ????
I just know there are plenty of cities more deserving than my home town. And MLS has yet to reach 30 teams. ~20 now.
Go for San Antonio and/or Austin/El Paso and the likes of Boise and Las Vegas.
Atlanta and Charlotte are on the verge
In all:
Sorry Oakland, St. Louis, Cleveland, Milwaukee, Minnesota and Jacksonville
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Co-Locate the Cavs. The Ohio Cavs?
The Ohio Cavaliers
The Ohio Cavalry?
I like the Ohio Barons.
Play in Cleveland, Columbus, Cincinnati....
Toledo and Dayton. More people in Ohio would support the NBA through viewership. It's that simple.
Being a southwest Ohioan born and raised all 'round Cinci and residing in Dayton suburbs, I'm all for an arena near Middletown to be a house for the Ohio Barons.
If Indy had another big city the Pacers could camp around Indiana.
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The Ohio Cavalry?
I like the Ohio Barons.
Play in Cleveland, Columbus, Cincinnati....
Toledo and Dayton. More people in Ohio would support the NBA through viewership. It's that simple.
If Indy had another big city the Pacers could camp around Indiana.
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More debbieDowner Expansion Feasibility Info for Cities Wanting Teams
Great article. Even mention of Inland Empire and some envisioning for the NBA. A third of the teams were floated by the league fighting off bankruptcy just a few short years ago.
Click: Could Your City Give a Sports Team a Good Home?
Money in market to hold a franchise.
- $85.4 billion for MLB
- $37.6 billion for the NHL
- $36.7 billion for the NFL
- $34.2 billion for the NBA
- $15.4 billion for MLS.
Many metro markets alone just aren't ready yet for a steady team. That's why I harp on the regional model.
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New York City Football Club and Florida (Major League Soccer)
NYCFC
How awesome is that??
Also in 2015, Orlando's team.
And recently expansion was awarded to Miami in '17.
http://en.wikipedia.org/ MLS Expansion
April update: Their opening season is at Yankee Stadium ( Link )
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Sunday, March 9, 2014
MiLB Article about long-standing minor-major league club relationships
Article: List of clubs with lengthy big league relationships
A geographic tidbit for High Minors via wikipedia:
Triple-A (or Class AAA)
"Triple-A teams are typically located in the largest metropolitan areas that do not have Major League Baseball (MLB) teams, such as Austin, Texas; Charlotte, North Carolina; Columbus, Ohio; El Paso, Texas; Las Vegas, Nevada; Louisville, Kentucky; and Norfolk, Virginia."
...and Portland, Nashville, Memphis, New Orleans, OKC, Omaha, Albuquerque, SLC, and Indianapolis.
For AA, spots are held in a few Alabama cities and still near "Braves turf" around the capital of Mississippi as well as Jacksonville. I have to think that Alabama is more ready for the NFL for a weekend draw as compared to a daily MLB event, with places like Mobile, Montgomery, Huntsville and Birmingham.
And Little Rock area and San Antonio of the Texas League.
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A geographic tidbit for High Minors via wikipedia:
Triple-A (or Class AAA)
"Triple-A teams are typically located in the largest metropolitan areas that do not have Major League Baseball (MLB) teams, such as Austin, Texas; Charlotte, North Carolina; Columbus, Ohio; El Paso, Texas; Las Vegas, Nevada; Louisville, Kentucky; and Norfolk, Virginia."
...and Portland, Nashville, Memphis, New Orleans, OKC, Omaha, Albuquerque, SLC, and Indianapolis.
For AA, spots are held in a few Alabama cities and still near "Braves turf" around the capital of Mississippi as well as Jacksonville. I have to think that Alabama is more ready for the NFL for a weekend draw as compared to a daily MLB event, with places like Mobile, Montgomery, Huntsville and Birmingham.
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Thursday, March 6, 2014
Atlanta having two baseball teams ??? Existing infrastructure strengthens the argument for a team called "Southern".
New York, Chicago and Los Angeles have two teams in their city (and the A's and Giants have their ball fields 17 miles apart). Could Atlanta be the fourth city to tout two baseball teams?
Atlanta having two baseball teams ??? Existing infrastructure strengthens my argument for a team called "Southern".
This Ballpark Digest article talks of a schemed up possibility in the American League team called the Atlanta Surge .
The Braves are getting a new stadium in suburbia Atlanta and their "old" stadium is relatively new.
If this isn't an opportunity to draw in an expansion or relocated (Tampa) team for cities of the South, I don't know what is. A team called "Southern", like the Southern Rays for cities like New Orleans, Memphis, Nashville, Charlotte, Louisville and maybe Jacksonville. Including existing baseball stadiums in Atlanta and Tampa, that's 8 locations for MLB to spread love.
For my strongest argument being part of a (partial) relocation of the Rays is most logical at this time for including a southern region brand franchise for baseball, I'm not thrilled for Turner Field ( (check this out) of already-a-team-Atlanta) or even Tampa to be a mainstay. But they could be fallbacks alleviating any concern for failure of the "travel" home (camp) team model. Cities like Charlotte, Nashville and New Orleans or any of the abovementioned like Louisville or even Birmingham could be inspired (incentivized) to build (onto) bigger better stadiums to increase their cities share of games while "Southern" gets a more robust upstart in the existing major league parks of the region. Creativity for multi-venued ballparks could take form for multi-use. I've talked more of Southern region major league sports in previous blog posts.
More future thinking links for baseball:
Links below are design concepts for teams:
Future MLB
While I disagree with Montreal and believe it's too early for it, I like the alignment presented:
An Exercise in Expansion
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Atlanta having two baseball teams ??? Existing infrastructure strengthens my argument for a team called "Southern".
This Ballpark Digest article talks of a schemed up possibility in the American League team called the Atlanta Surge .
The Braves are getting a new stadium in suburbia Atlanta and their "old" stadium is relatively new.
If this isn't an opportunity to draw in an expansion or relocated (Tampa) team for cities of the South, I don't know what is. A team called "Southern", like the Southern Rays for cities like New Orleans, Memphis, Nashville, Charlotte, Louisville and maybe Jacksonville. Including existing baseball stadiums in Atlanta and Tampa, that's 8 locations for MLB to spread love.
For my strongest argument being part of a (partial) relocation of the Rays is most logical at this time for including a southern region brand franchise for baseball, I'm not thrilled for Turner Field ( (check this out) of already-a-team-Atlanta) or even Tampa to be a mainstay. But they could be fallbacks alleviating any concern for failure of the "travel" home (camp) team model. Cities like Charlotte, Nashville and New Orleans or any of the abovementioned like Louisville or even Birmingham could be inspired (incentivized) to build (onto) bigger better stadiums to increase their cities share of games while "Southern" gets a more robust upstart in the existing major league parks of the region. Creativity for multi-venued ballparks could take form for multi-use. I've talked more of Southern region major league sports in previous blog posts.
More future thinking links for baseball:
Links below are design concepts for teams:
Future MLB
While I disagree with Montreal and believe it's too early for it, I like the alignment presented:
An Exercise in Expansion
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Wednesday, March 5, 2014
The Oakland Baseball Team AND Football Team Move to Portland ??? A's and Raiders ?!?!
The Raiders might find themselves in the Pacific Northwest
All this push I've been wanting for the A's to move to Portland and now I've been seeing this talk of the Raiders moving there.
Or would the Raiders be better suited for L.A. and the Rams of the dispassionate Gateway City just move their operations to Portland?
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All this push I've been wanting for the A's to move to Portland and now I've been seeing this talk of the Raiders moving there.
Or would the Raiders be better suited for L.A. and the Rams of the dispassionate Gateway City just move their operations to Portland?
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Regional Contingencies for East, Central, and West (Baseball)
Western Mountains, Great West Rockies
A re-branded team for American Central?
Any ideas?
Let's just say these franchises are toward the bottom of value for the 30 teams (and are not the first professional team in baseball). So, for this exercise I'm picking on them. Let's say financially that they really start to not work out so well. If I can't split the Rays between cities in the name of the Southern Rays (Nashville et al) or the Coastal Run Rays (Tampa, New Orleans, Charlotte), then let me pretend this:
Re-branding, as with anything else, can be flexible. The Central Royals can dawn their KC hats at their big old stadium. Heck, they can wear their C logos in Omaha with their cursive "Omaha" or "Nebraska" on the back while there. Does Americana Kings have a ring to it?
EAST
In the East (or the South) you have Charlotte, the east coast of Virginia, Nashville. You also have Memphis east of the Mississippi pirating that river. You also have the port of Jacksonville. Any kind of baseball in upstate New York like the Carrier Dome? Well, 20, 000 seats are now in Buffalo. The amount of games can be split between cities disproportionately.
Charlotte Nashville Jacksonville and of course Pittsburgh
For an Eastland team, you have to also consider Louisville, Indianapolis and Columbus.
What about an Eastland team straddling I-70 for Pittsburgh-Columbus-Indianapolis?
CENTRAL
I wonder if there will ever be a display of carnival Americana near the oil fields of the western Dakotas. How neat would it be to have a remnant of top notch facilities for the bachelor's recreation (while not at work) in those Dakota Plains? There is growth there. It doesn't exactly have the nightlife of the Big Apple. How much American apple pie is there to go around?
One could also consider San Antonio, Little Rock (with robust Wal-mart sponsorship) and New Orleans as the heart of America.
What could this old Royals teams be called? Does the name "Royals" resonate with the Heartland?
The Heartland, Central or Great Plains Ranchers? Stampede?
Oklahoma City Witchita Omaha and of course Kansas City
WEST
San Antonio could swing at the heart or resonate with "the west".
If Portland isn't awarded a team deemed West or West Coast
Portland Las Vegas Albuquerque Salt Lake City Boise and of course Denver
So let's say 80 home games. Do 60 at Mile High. 5 in Portland, Vegas, SLC and Albuquerque the first year.
Second year: 40 at Coors Field, 10 in Portland, Vegas and Albuquerque. Divvy some up for SLC and Sacramento.
And on and on. 50 games at Pitt, 10 in Nashville and 20 in Charlotte. A home stint here or there, especially initially, could be influenced by deposits.
Obviously, tickets as a revenue source are a large if not largest income source. The concert atmosphere MLB can take on for some of these outland cities, including apparel and concessions could negate the fact that stadiums seating 10, 000 or so in Nashville are only a fourth of many big league fields.
List: Baseball Stadium by Capacity -wikipedia
As of early March 2014, wikipedia neglected to list Dayton's field so I wonder how many more might be missing:
Dayton Dragons stadium
A few more games in Buffalo than Nashville?
15.5 thousand seats in Indianapolis could pull more Pirates buy-in.
The same amount in the stands of Salt Lake city for Rocky ball.
24,000 seats already in Omaha.
12k at Albuquerque and 11 already in New Orleans.
Baseball becomes more of an event than a businessman's special. Shared economic boosts and scenic marketing opportunities for the cities and MLB. Exhibition would take on more meaning for baseball.
For the "regional teams", unique and aggressive caravans can occur in the offseason. And on and on.
Regional teams spread baseball representation. Break-outs occur.
Another notch in the argument for regional teams:
Why Portland, And Other Markets Begging For MLB, Will Get Bloody Knees Waiting
Football, the NFL, a weekly venue, is already poised seating-wise for a regional franchise model.
What are your thoughts?
Look at the Portland uni's conceptualized here. The Cascades? The Greens? Green Socks?
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What do these cities have in common sportswise?
San Diego
Seattle
Baltimore
Cincinnati
Kansas City
and I guess San Francisco
Seattle
Baltimore
Cincinnati
Kansas City
and I guess San Francisco
Tuesday, March 4, 2014
Any Good Logos or Team Names You Can Dream Up ?
Baseball, Football, Basketball, Soccer and Hockey:
Do you know of a good logo (or team name) for a team that doesn't exist yet? Anyone that can do one? Submit them.
Sur Toros
Monterrey Bulls
Nord Force ("North Mounties) of Canada
Mexico City Santos
London Continentals
Southern Belles
Southern Draw
West Coast
Western
River Run Rafters (NBA in Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Louisville and/or St. Louis)
Great Lake Sailors (NHL of Cleveland and Milwaukee)
Ohio Barons basketball of the Cincinnati-Dayton Metroplex
FC Queen City of Soccer (think Monarch, Armada)
Cincinnati Rivermen, ....troop references like Brown Sox, Greenlegs
Great Basin Bandits of Las Vegas-Salt Lake City
Inland Empire
or
West Coast Emperors
Crossroads Racers (baseball in Indianapolis (cars) and Louisville (thoroughbreds))
I envision a bigger and cantered Mountie hat as part of the logo for NFL's Canadian team, but hey, this isn't the only sad logo I did up on this blog:
Do you know of a good logo (or team name) for a team that doesn't exist yet? Anyone that can do one? Submit them.
Sur Toros
Monterrey Bulls
Nord Force ("North Mounties) of Canada
Mexico City Santos
London Continentals
Southern Belles
Southern Draw
West Coast
Western
River Run Rafters (NBA in Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Louisville and/or St. Louis)
Great Lake Sailors (NHL of Cleveland and Milwaukee)
Ohio Barons basketball of the Cincinnati-Dayton Metroplex
FC Queen City of Soccer (think Monarch, Armada)
Cincinnati Rivermen, ....troop references like Brown Sox, Greenlegs
Great Basin Bandits of Las Vegas-Salt Lake City
Inland Empire
or
West Coast Emperors
Crossroads Racers (baseball in Indianapolis (cars) and Louisville (thoroughbreds))
I envision a bigger and cantered Mountie hat as part of the logo for NFL's Canadian team, but hey, this isn't the only sad logo I did up on this blog:
MLB/NFL Regional Plan WITHOUT Expansion (SOON). MISSISSIPPI CAN HAVE A PRO TEAM TO CALL THEIR OWN NOW !!!
How many New Orleans Saints fans are there in Mississippi, Alabama and Arkansas?
How many would be Saints fans if they marched in a new team name?
Like... let's say they're now called the Southern Saints.
They could play 2014 football in New Orleans (for 3 games regular season games), Tuscaloosa (for 2 games), and Jacksonville (for 3). One in Mississippi from time to time till they're more comfy. All of the stadiums are out there. Season tickets could take on a whole new meaning as far as parcel sales.
Jacksonville could move to Los Angeles. Wouldn't the West Coast Mustangs or Emperors do well there?
No expansion or big relocation necessary. The market could sell more gameday in Portland.
The Atlanta Braves could become the Southern Braves.
Or Tampa could be a main hub for the Southern Rays and co-locate some ball in Charlotte, Nashville and New Orleans. And/or Louisville, Little Rock, Birmingham and Memphis. And on and on.
I would like that Western team of Athletics ilk in MLB to have it's mainstay in Portland and/or Oakland. Could that experience be shared with OKC?
NFL
Southern Saints of New Orleans (5 games), Alabama (2) and Louisville (1)
West Coast Emperors of Los Angeles (5) and Portland (3)
or
Southern Belles of Tuscaloosa camp (three games), some Mississippi camp (one), Jacksonville (three) and Louisville (one)
West Coast Athletics of Oakland, Sacramento and Portland. Maybe some Vegas
Let's cover more turf and keep the high caliber of play in tact in the nearer future, I say. I know that multi-venue has feasibility issues. And I hope to learn more of the issues in the future.
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/09/13/silverman-astros-to-the-al-means-mlb-expansion-and-thats-revolting/
Feasibility shall tell.
Even if facts are discouraging, how could it be made to work? Gun to your head: how can it work? I think this should be a contingency for any franchise market. Tailgates are Americana. It can be made to work. I'm saying that on spirit. For football's weekly venue, I think such plans could be the most "shovel ready".
As blog-mentioned sometime before, West Coast could take on the name of "Western" and touch markets like San Antonio, Austin, Albuquerque, Salt Lake City, Las Vegas and/or OKC.
I've apologized before and I'll apologize again. Sorry to the fans of Oakland (Sacramento), St. Louis, Jacksonville and Tampa or Miami. My regional models hope to present a feasible alternative and to make more people happy and coin outlanders with a home team with the big city. Ya' know, St. Louis, I'm imagining a shared NBA franchise for you.
What say ye the people?
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How many would be Saints fans if they marched in a new team name?
Like... let's say they're now called the Southern Saints.
They could play 2014 football in New Orleans (for 3 games regular season games), Tuscaloosa (for 2 games), and Jacksonville (for 3). One in Mississippi from time to time till they're more comfy. All of the stadiums are out there. Season tickets could take on a whole new meaning as far as parcel sales.
Jacksonville could move to Los Angeles. Wouldn't the West Coast Mustangs or Emperors do well there?
No expansion or big relocation necessary. The market could sell more gameday in Portland.
The Atlanta Braves could become the Southern Braves.
Or Tampa could be a main hub for the Southern Rays and co-locate some ball in Charlotte, Nashville and New Orleans. And/or Louisville, Little Rock, Birmingham and Memphis. And on and on.
I would like that Western team of Athletics ilk in MLB to have it's mainstay in Portland and/or Oakland. Could that experience be shared with OKC?
NFL
Southern Saints of New Orleans (5 games), Alabama (2) and Louisville (1)
West Coast Emperors of Los Angeles (5) and Portland (3)
or
Southern Belles of Tuscaloosa camp (three games), some Mississippi camp (one), Jacksonville (three) and Louisville (one)
MLB
Southern Rays of Tampa, Nashville and Charlotte area. Maybe some Louisville and New Orleans.West Coast Athletics of Oakland, Sacramento and Portland. Maybe some Vegas
Let's cover more turf and keep the high caliber of play in tact in the nearer future, I say. I know that multi-venue has feasibility issues. And I hope to learn more of the issues in the future.
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/09/13/silverman-astros-to-the-al-means-mlb-expansion-and-thats-revolting/
Feasibility shall tell.
Even if facts are discouraging, how could it be made to work? Gun to your head: how can it work? I think this should be a contingency for any franchise market. Tailgates are Americana. It can be made to work. I'm saying that on spirit. For football's weekly venue, I think such plans could be the most "shovel ready".
As blog-mentioned sometime before, West Coast could take on the name of "Western" and touch markets like San Antonio, Austin, Albuquerque, Salt Lake City, Las Vegas and/or OKC.
I've apologized before and I'll apologize again. Sorry to the fans of Oakland (Sacramento), St. Louis, Jacksonville and Tampa or Miami. My regional models hope to present a feasible alternative and to make more people happy and coin outlanders with a home team with the big city. Ya' know, St. Louis, I'm imagining a shared NBA franchise for you.
What say ye the people?
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MLS, Will the Major Leagues land in Austin for the first time, or will San Antonio get that Soccer team before their capital city???
City makes push to bring major league sports franchise to Austin
http://kxan.com/2014/03/03/city-to-explore-mls-soccer-expansion/
-link: MLS article UPDATE
Austin is an awesome city. I think if anybody has been to 6th street once, you'd never forget it.
The largest place without any major league teams. San Antonio is making a bid also so that's not the greatest (or worse) news for Austin.
There's no doubt in the passion of soccer fans. And perhaps I assume that more of you are attuned to the expansion talk going on, like Beckham's group bringing the bigtime back to Miami recently.
When the sport takes off more and more, maybe there could be more use for my talk on regional barnstormish travel camp teams.
I apologize to you MLS fans that can spot my proportionate lackluster for soccer on this blog. I didn't grow up playing soccer but it is awesome. So I'm aging and will never be great at it. When I found out a huge part of Steve Nash's awesomeness and footwork is attributed to world football, I thought more on it and have a lot of respect for it. All Americans can learn from the otherworld.
-Paul
She never fails me: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expansion_of_Major_League_Soccer
See more expansion and relocation talk for football, baseball, basketball, hockey and soccer on my blog (starting in Feb 2014, see table of contents/archive): Major League/Pro Expansion <CLICK> http://prosportsexpansion.blogspot.com/
And please feel free to contribute your two cents with mine.
http://kxan.com/2014/03/03/city-to-explore-mls-soccer-expansion/
-link: MLS article UPDATE
Austin is an awesome city. I think if anybody has been to 6th street once, you'd never forget it.
The largest place without any major league teams. San Antonio is making a bid also so that's not the greatest (or worse) news for Austin.
There's no doubt in the passion of soccer fans. And perhaps I assume that more of you are attuned to the expansion talk going on, like Beckham's group bringing the bigtime back to Miami recently.
When the sport takes off more and more, maybe there could be more use for my talk on regional barnstormish travel camp teams.
MLS expansion deal good as done: Major League Soccer about to announce Miami as franchise No. 22
http://prosoccertalk.nbcsports.com/2014/02/03/mls-expansion-deal-good-as-done-major-league-soccer-about-to-announce-miami-as-franchise-no-22/I apologize to you MLS fans that can spot my proportionate lackluster for soccer on this blog. I didn't grow up playing soccer but it is awesome. So I'm aging and will never be great at it. When I found out a huge part of Steve Nash's awesomeness and footwork is attributed to world football, I thought more on it and have a lot of respect for it. All Americans can learn from the otherworld.
-Paul
She never fails me: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expansion_of_Major_League_Soccer
See more expansion and relocation talk for football, baseball, basketball, hockey and soccer on my blog (starting in Feb 2014, see table of contents/archive): Major League/Pro Expansion <CLICK> http://prosportsexpansion.blogspot.com/
And please feel free to contribute your two cents with mine.
Sunday, March 2, 2014
International Expansion Creep
Teams leaving Canada.
It happened recently to the NBA and MLB for Vancouver and Montreal respectively.
Toronto is good in 4 of the Big 5. Canadians and the NFL are well aware of the CFL.
I think the Nord Force would do well camping in the provincial stretches across Canada with existing infrastructure. I wish the Jaguars would change uniforms up there along with the Rams moving back to Los Angeles.
I see Monterrey (the Sur Toros) doing baseball and/or football in the not-too-distant future.
Is it going to be the NFL or NBA that crosses the ponds first?
That NFL once-a-week thing gets one thinking, doesn't it?
And people think London, Tokyo and Mexico City, right?
Will there be a balance package for such a kickoff? Berlin @ London, Sydney @ Tokyo, and Monterrey v. Mexico City
The Far East and the Way West Conference: how many years is that? Next century?
Blog article: The Big Leagues are Eyeing Overseas Expansion: Get Ready for the Tokyo Tigers
See more expansion and relocation talk for football, baseball, basketball, hockey and soccer on my blog (starting in Feb 2014, see table of contents/archive): Major League/Pro Expansion <CLICK> http://prosportsexpansion.blogspot.com/
And please feel free to contribute your two cents with mine.
It happened recently to the NBA and MLB for Vancouver and Montreal respectively.
Toronto is good in 4 of the Big 5. Canadians and the NFL are well aware of the CFL.
I think the Nord Force would do well camping in the provincial stretches across Canada with existing infrastructure. I wish the Jaguars would change uniforms up there along with the Rams moving back to Los Angeles.
I see Monterrey (the Sur Toros) doing baseball and/or football in the not-too-distant future.
Is it going to be the NFL or NBA that crosses the ponds first?
That NFL once-a-week thing gets one thinking, doesn't it?
And people think London, Tokyo and Mexico City, right?
Will there be a balance package for such a kickoff? Berlin @ London, Sydney @ Tokyo, and Monterrey v. Mexico City
The Far East and the Way West Conference: how many years is that? Next century?
Blog article: The Big Leagues are Eyeing Overseas Expansion: Get Ready for the Tokyo Tigers
See more expansion and relocation talk for football, baseball, basketball, hockey and soccer on my blog (starting in Feb 2014, see table of contents/archive): Major League/Pro Expansion <CLICK> http://prosportsexpansion.blogspot.com/
And please feel free to contribute your two cents with mine.
Over 20 American Cities that stand to gain by Regional Team Expansion
A multi-home camp venue for regional teams for cities with inadequate markets standing alone. Let's say the talent is high but the markets are slow and expansion can happen...
The Big 3 (as I'm going to say them):
Baseball, Football, Basketball.
The Five:
Hockey, Soccer
For the Big 2 Sports, the beneficiaries:
Atlantic City, Norfolk, Charlotte, Jacksonville,
Indianapolis, Louisville, Nashville, Memphis, Birmingham,
Somewhere in Iowa, Omaha, Witchita, Oklahoma City, New Orleans,
San Antonio, Austin, Albuquerque, Las Vegas, Sacremento, Portland,
Salt Lake City and Boise
More will benefit really. A city like Tampa could share baseball instead of moving altogether. Would the Florida Marlins be better served in two sunny metros. Oakland can share instead of deserting. As mentioned previously, could the Coastal Run Rays be in New Orleans also? Jacksonville football could be part of the new Southern team near the Mississippi - Alabama line.
NHL
Cleveland, Milwaukee, Cincinnati, Indianapolis, Seattle, Portland ...when hockey picks up steam in America. Any of these cities could be a true home instead of a camp in the years and years to come.
I like the idea of a Great Lakes region team and the battling of another Toronto team. Would have Columbus worked out better at first as part of a consortium before autonomy?
NBA
Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Louisville, St. Louis. I like the idea of a River City or Delta team.
Kansas City, Nashville, San Diego, Las Vegas.
Could the Western Supersonics be in Boise as well as Vegas or Vancouver?
You have to think basketball is pretty mobile.
I am curious about all the logistical cost and setup cost of not having a fixed home court or ice. But what would the buzz be at home (camp) when the dates are set and infrequent. It's more of a festive atmosphere than a "gimme".
Will they feel more like a home team, barnstormers or travel teams? Hometown proud. Could it work?
West Coast, Heartland, Eastern, Great Plains, Great Basin (LV, SLC) and Southeastern?
Home camps in Reform, Alabama (Tuscaloosa while building); Jacksonville, Florida; Little Rock, Arkansas and Louisville, Kentucky. That would be about 2 home games a piece and see which ones work out very well.
See more expansion and relocation talk for football, baseball, basketball, hockey and soccer on my blog (starting in Feb 2014, see table of contents/archive): Major League/Pro Expansion <CLICK> http://prosportsexpansion.blogspot.com/
And please feel free to contribute your two cents with mine.
The Big 3 (as I'm going to say them):
Baseball, Football, Basketball.
The Five:
Hockey, Soccer
For the Big 2 Sports, the beneficiaries:
Atlantic City, Norfolk, Charlotte, Jacksonville,
Indianapolis, Louisville, Nashville, Memphis, Birmingham,
Somewhere in Iowa, Omaha, Witchita, Oklahoma City, New Orleans,
San Antonio, Austin, Albuquerque, Las Vegas, Sacremento, Portland,
Salt Lake City and Boise
More will benefit really. A city like Tampa could share baseball instead of moving altogether. Would the Florida Marlins be better served in two sunny metros. Oakland can share instead of deserting. As mentioned previously, could the Coastal Run Rays be in New Orleans also? Jacksonville football could be part of the new Southern team near the Mississippi - Alabama line.
NHL
Cleveland, Milwaukee, Cincinnati, Indianapolis, Seattle, Portland ...when hockey picks up steam in America. Any of these cities could be a true home instead of a camp in the years and years to come.
I like the idea of a Great Lakes region team and the battling of another Toronto team. Would have Columbus worked out better at first as part of a consortium before autonomy?
NBA
Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Louisville, St. Louis. I like the idea of a River City or Delta team.
Kansas City, Nashville, San Diego, Las Vegas.
Could the Western Supersonics be in Boise as well as Vegas or Vancouver?
You have to think basketball is pretty mobile.
I am curious about all the logistical cost and setup cost of not having a fixed home court or ice. But what would the buzz be at home (camp) when the dates are set and infrequent. It's more of a festive atmosphere than a "gimme".
Will they feel more like a home team, barnstormers or travel teams? Hometown proud. Could it work?
West Coast, Heartland, Eastern, Great Plains, Great Basin (LV, SLC) and Southeastern?
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| www.nike.com/iD Article acknowledging the power of Southeast Football last century: http://www.nytimes.com/1993/12/01/sports/pro-football-nfl-expansion-surprise-jacksonville-jaguars.html |
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| Southern Belles |
Home camps in Reform, Alabama (Tuscaloosa while building); Jacksonville, Florida; Little Rock, Arkansas and Louisville, Kentucky. That would be about 2 home games a piece and see which ones work out very well.
See more expansion and relocation talk for football, baseball, basketball, hockey and soccer on my blog (starting in Feb 2014, see table of contents/archive): Major League/Pro Expansion <CLICK> http://prosportsexpansion.blogspot.com/
And please feel free to contribute your two cents with mine.
Saturday, March 1, 2014
NFL - MLB Franchise Coverage Difference
THIS IS MY ARGUMENT FOR A TEAM REGIONAL NAME FOR THE NEXT EXPANSION. NFL or MLB.
- SOUTHERN
- WESTERN
- or perhaps a SOUTHWESTERN
Have an NFL team hubbed in Louisville, Birmingham area and Little Rock (or in vacancy event of a relocated Jacksonville team)
Another in Oklahoma City and/or Portland, Las Vegas, San Antonio (-Austin), Albuquerque and so on.
Southern Belles, Draw ???
Western Mustangs
Hell, put the West Coast Rams in LA !!!
I see this as market buy-in big time.
States without NFL or MLB representation in white or yellow without the red box
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| Comparison of the Big 2 Sports. NFL has smaller islands (non-contiguous states) than MLB. States with NFL coverage, outside of Patriots Country, include 5 more than MLB (Indiana, N. and S. Carolina, Tennessee and Louisiana). How included does AL and MS feel with the NFL in the football fertile south? What about AR and KY? The Nebraskans, the Okies, Cowboys, Utes and Beavers? |
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| or West Coast Mustangs? |
See more expansion and relocation talk for football, baseball, basketball, hockey and soccer on my blog (starting in Feb 2014, see table of contents/archive): Major League/Pro Expansion <CLICK> http://prosportsexpansion.blogspot.com/
And please feel free to contribute your two cents with mine.
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